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malevolence · Mar 27, 2010, 02:58 AM // 02:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by flubber

http://www.evga.com/PRecision/

http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/

Cool, I had Precision before , so I was monitoring the temps and playing an hour AvP the temps didn't cross 69 degrees celcius (didn't crash either). That was with Physx disabled and multi-gpu disabled. Still need to test with both enabled , there is when it crash. A funny thing is that Evga Precision show the GPU load 0% all the time

when gaming.

So far temps of the video card are not bad , so I can say CPU, RAM and Videocard are not overheating , so what then ? HDD ? Mobo ? Anyway , I will update temps when Physx and Multi-Gpu enabled.

Thanks.

PS: By the way , I cannot use Evga Precision with GW , GW crash way faster than AvP so it will be cool to test it

***EDIT***
Wow , found something funny , while plating GW my processor is going mad lol , its jumping from 2666MHZ to 1999MHZ every second , wtf is this ? The multiplier is going from 8.0 to 6.0.

gone · Mar 27, 2010, 09:24 AM // 09:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by flubber

I'm gonna tell you something. Please, Please, Please don't use AvP3 for troubleshooting your rig. It is horrible un-optimized GARBAGE. It hasn't blue-screened me, but I can re-create a major memory leak by using the in-game settings alone. as far as physX goes. I don't use it. I pulled my dedicated card out months ago. just not worth it. (btw, I'm running 9800gtx+ sli'd). If it were me, I'd try and run 3dmark 06, or this to see if you can re-create the crash.

If your multiplier is jumping around, you(most likely) have some sort of power saving/clocking feature still enabled.

I use precision with every game I play. Including GW/AvP3. I've yet to have it crash a game on me.

/edit
I suggest heading over to http://www.evga.com/forums/ and talk to people who use the 9800gx2 regularly.

I'd also like to add that the drivers that have been put out in the last few months have been....less than stellar.

malevolence · Mar 27, 2010, 04:14 PM // 16:14

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Originally Posted by flubber

I'd also like to add that the drivers that have been put out in the last few months have been....less than stellar.

I play also GW and crash the same way as AvP does , well , when physx and multi-gpu enabled , here are some pictures I took seconds after avp starting to crash and seconds before the pc crashed :

It was with Physx and Multi-GPU enabled.

***EDIT***

Just had the same as mentioned above , but this time I didn't have Physx and Multi-GPU enabled

and after a BSOD

Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: BlueScreen
OS Version: 6.1.7600.2.0.0.256.28
Locale ID: 1033

Additional information about the problem:
BCCode: fc
BCP1: FFFFF88001994000
BCP2: 800000007C356121
BCP3: FFFFF88002E58340
BCP4: 0000000000000002
OS Version: 6_1_7600
Service Pack: 0_0
Product: 256_1

Files that help describe the problem:
C:\Windows\Minidump\032810-23930-01.dmp
C:\Users\malevolence\AppData\Local\Temp\WER-30934-0.sysdata.xml

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Elder III · Mar 28, 2010, 03:22 AM // 03:22

Sure looks like overheating to me --- get a temp. monitoring program running - play a game for a little bit, and then alt + tab out of it and check your temp. right away before it has a few seconds to start cooling down from the gaming load.... post those temps here.

malevolence · Mar 28, 2010, 10:07 AM // 10:07

1 hour of AvP

GPU Temp: 69 Degrees celcius
CPU: 36 Degrees celcius
HDD: 29 Degrees celcius

How can I check the Motherboard temp and Memory module temps ?

The last BSOD I had was too fast and couldn't read well , but as far as I remember it was saying something about watchdog.sys.

Now unchecked the option to automatic reboot when there is a BSOD so the next one I should be able to read all.

Aera · Mar 28, 2010, 11:02 AM // 11:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by mavolence

***EDIT***
Wow , found something funny , while plating GW my processor is going mad lol , its jumping from 2666MHZ to 1999MHZ every second , wtf is this ? The multiplier is going from 8.0 to 6.0.

That's because of C1E or some other equivalent a powersaving function, it's all normal. It adjusts its juice to how much juice is required. While overclocking it is recommended to disable this in the BIOS because it can cause instability. If you're not overclocking, leave it on to save some pettycash

Quote:

1 hour of AvP

GPU Temp: 69 Degrees celcius
CPU: 36 Degrees celcius
HDD: 29 Degrees celcius

How can I check the Motherboard temp and Memory module temps ?

The temps are fine. You can check more temps using GPU-Z: http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/
I don't think it's possible to read memory modules though, not sure.

As far as your problem: I think it's still a driver problem. Download Driver Sweeper: http://www.guru3d.com/category/driversweeper/ and install.

Uninstall your nVidia drivers, reboot in safemode (F8 while booting), run DriverSweeper, make it remove all the nVidia GPU remains ( and only that!) , reboot, install new drivers, reboot.

See if that helps

malevolence · Mar 28, 2010, 05:15 PM // 17:15

Hi Aera ,

I have driver cleaner full version (paid) and the most strange of all , this all is on a fresh windows 7 install (reinstalled 2 times , formated HDD 2 times) and same results.

I was monitoring while playing GW and my temps are super good , after 3 hours of gameplay and running CPUID Hardware monitor in the back ground my temps were:

I don't see any overheating , while playing GW or AvP , my last BSOD was mentioning the file watchdog.sys and I searched on google.com but most of it is related to malware , I ran Malwarebytes in safemode and I cannot find any malware , I did find something (when I ran malwarebytes the first time , mentioned in a previous post) and it was the Hijack malware on a windows registry , now I noticed that sometimes , most of the times actually when I boot my PC windows get stuck while booting and after a reset its telling me to repair windows , windows found 2 files with problems and say it repaired , but this is happening at least once a day.

I tried 2 different windows 7 , one was windows 7 Ultimate 64 bits in spanish , then I tried windows 7 N Ultimate 64 bits in english. The crashes happened in both copies , but the error at booting I had it only with the english version.

Another thing is that if I look the errors log in windows , I see a lot , I mean hundreds of errors log and all of them are saying errors while windows is booting.

Maybe I should go back to vista ultimate 64 bits SP2 ,at least I didn't have all the booting errors with that windows.

Thank you

gone · Mar 28, 2010, 08:46 PM // 20:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by malevolence

I tried 2 different windows 7 , one was windows 7 Ultimate 64 bits in spanish , then I tried windows 7 N Ultimate 64 bits in english. The crashes happened in both copies , but the error at booting I had it only with the english version.

Another thing is that if I look the errors log in windows , I see a lot , I mean hundreds of errors log and all of them are saying errors while windows is booting.

Maybe I should go back to vista ultimate 64 bits SP2 ,at least I didn't have all the booting errors with that windows.

Thank you

blaming W7 for boot errors? when it's a trimmed down version? gotten via torrent? and probably cracked wrong/using crappy boot loader?

so many things I can say, but won't.

also, last time I saw a card act like that the person who brought it to me had an ungodly overclock on it, ran it for awhile, set it back to stock speeds, however, the damage was already done.

malevolence · Mar 28, 2010, 10:53 PM // 22:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by flubber

blaming W7 for boot errors? when it's a trimmed down version? gotten via torrent? and probably cracked wrong/using crappy boot loader?

so many things I can say, but won't.

also, last time I saw a card act like that the person who brought it to me had an ungodly overclock on it, ran it for awhile, set it back to stock speeds, however, the damage was already done.

Yeah, w7 is having all those issues , but ok, better I go back to vista. No OC done here (to the GPU), I RMA 4 or 3 times this card (previous ones were broken) . I will install vista and see if I get the same errors.

Elder III · Mar 29, 2010, 12:19 PM // 12:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by flubber

blaming W7 for boot errors? when it's a trimmed down version? gotten via torrent? and probably cracked wrong/using crappy boot loader?

so many things I can say, but won't.

also, last time I saw a card act like that the person who brought it to me had an ungodly overclock on it, ran it for awhile, set it back to stock speeds, however, the damage was already done.

Is this a hacked version of Windows??? If it is then you are just asking for trouble. I had a computer with a "pirated" version of XP once (no, it was not of my doing either) and it worked fine for a few months and then was nothing but problems after that. Once I formatted the HDD and installed my own, legal version of XP it worked like a charm. By all means, if you have a non "legal" version of Windows - change it to a good one and your troubles will likely go away.

Quaker · Mar 29, 2010, 03:39 PM // 15:39

I'd like to point out that, although the temperatures are "normal", some component could have a "thermal fault" that only shows up at "normal" temperatures.
That is to say, although the temps are normal, the problem could still be related to heat.

malevolence · Mar 29, 2010, 03:53 PM // 15:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elder III

Is this a hacked version of Windows??? If it is then you are just asking for trouble. I had a computer with a "pirated" version of XP once (no, it was not of my doing either) and it worked fine for a few months and then was nothing but problems after that. Once I formatted the HDD and installed my own, legal version of XP it worked like a charm. By all means, if you have a non "legal" version of Windows - change it to a good one and your troubles will likely go away.

Ye , I will try my legal windows vista and report back. Or maybe , I will buy w7.

@ Quaker , you are right , but that is difficult to see now , I RMA this card because it was overheating , so maybe this one got the same but is not showing on the temps monitors.

gone · Mar 29, 2010, 04:12 PM // 16:12

@ Elder, yes. Windows 7 N Ultimate 64 is a trimmed down, tweaked "scene" release.

Not sure if you know this or not Mal, but even though they have a lifetime warranty, all (depending on company) or most RMA'd cards/parts/etc..etc.. are replaced with refurbished items. I've had quite a few garbage items sent to me that were worst off then the Items I RMA'd in the first place.

just a head's up on that.

Commander Kanen · Mar 29, 2010, 04:33 PM // 16:33

I have had a simmilar problem like this, In the end i found it was a faulty ram slot.

Try only using 1 stick at a time and change the slots if it doesnt crash.

rb.widow · Mar 29, 2010, 05:36 PM // 17:36

I had this exact same problem with my 8800GTX's in SLI, when SLI was enabled when i started Guild Wars the picture was all messed up, a little bit like your pictures you posted, im guessing Guild Wars does not support SLI at all,

When i disabled the SLI i could play the game but would get random crashes, my screen would either freeze, like yours did, go all scrambled, or just black screen and system would reboot,

This went on and on until one night i turned on the system and had a beep could, which was a result of bad video ram, and alas the card is dead now, so far my remaining 8800 is still going.

Hope you get your problem sorted soon.

malevolence · Mar 30, 2010, 12:21 PM // 12:21

it cannot be a bad slot

the PC can survive and extensive stress test of all types without crashing or what so ever. If Ram , CPU or RAM slot was the problem I think I would noticed with all the test I ran. Still I think Video card is somewhat broken or bad video ram as rb.widow mentioned.

But right now, I am looking at other stuff, like the USB ports , changing keyboard, changing mouse, disconnecting my secondary HDD and disconnecting my DVD burner (IDE not SATA) , buyt the way I heard that sometimes connecting SATA drives & IDE drives can give problems too, but I disconnected the DVD burner.

So far , yesterday the computer worked perfect, played 1:20 hours of AvP in a row, after played C&C4 with some firends online for about 1 hour , and after I played AvP again for about 1 hour, no crashed, no errors etc.

So I am crossing my fingers that the issue was with the DVD burner connected to IDE, let's see how it goes today.

Tharg · Mar 30, 2010, 02:28 PM // 14:28

funny you should mention that. My son's pc (I built it myself) started having freeze-ups. I could not figure it out, also started with blaming the video card. Nothing helped until I disconnected the SATA DVD burner - then it worked like a charm again. Hmm....

rb.widow · Mar 30, 2010, 05:10 PM // 17:10

Download 3dmark05 or 3dmark06 and run that in a loop, if your card has got bad ram, it will not survive the test it will put it threw it will force the crash and probably rather fast at that, i ran 3dmark05 to test a 6800Ultra card back in the day.

malevolence · Mar 31, 2010, 07:48 AM // 07:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by rb.widow

Download 3dmark05 or 3dmark06 and run that in a loop, if your card has got bad ram, it will not survive the test it will put it threw it will force the crash and probably rather fast at that, i ran 3dmark05 to test a 6800Ultra card back in the day.

Good idea, I will get one of the 3dmark's benchmarks.

Just for an update , yesterday installed a fresh windows 7 again , just to make sure. Updated Asus Modo drivers to the lstest ones. Updated nvidia video drivers (newest one). Installed Rivatuner and changed GPU fan to 100%. Installed steam and downloaded AvP. Then I was too tired yesterday, so I went to sleep and let the PC downloading AvP through steam , then it was in idle for about 7 hours . I came back and found the computer in sleep mode ? (I forgot to change power settings) , so I press a key and the computer awakes , but not the Fan of the GPU , it wasn't at 100% (I can tell because of the noise) and steam window opened , so just before closing steam, the old , same error appeared , the mouse pointer artifacting and following that a black screen and finally the PC restarting, no blue screen or error message.

Today I will install my legal copy of Vista and see if it's giving me the same error , but before that , I will test with 3dmark

malevolence · Mar 31, 2010, 10:38 AM // 10:38

Hello, just in case , can anyone recommend me a good power supply for my system ? I know I have a good one , but I need to try my system with a different one to make sure my power supply is ok. Thank you.